Possible Templar Meeting/Council OOC Discussion

[perseverances]

Moving this here from plurk.

In the wake of the Abomination attack, a possible council should be form among the Templars to discuss issues, their role in the Inquisition, and other such things.

Possible discussion points:

- What is their role in the Inquisition

- what should be done in terms of reparation or punishment for those who were involved in the mage-templar war

- is there going to be special training, limitations, ??? for the templars who are here now that the order has disbanded

- What is the lyrium situation

Feel free to discuss.

Comments

[keeperofmagi]

Nerva is also going to want to put forward a motion for the Safety and Protection of the tranquil, and also suggest that they search for those that might still be lost and abandoned in the wild.

And that someone be voted as the Voice of the Templars to the Council that Isn't Her.

[colecomfort]

There is definitely nobody over in that corner. Nope. Nobody here but us chickens.

[arlathvhen]

If the meeting is open, Beleth will be there. Watching. Waiting.

If not, she'll try to eavesdrop somehow. Through a hole in the ceiling or window or something.

[equanimiti]

Alayre has given much thought about the plight of the Order, and he honestly believes they're here to help restore balance. For too long the Order has lived under the thumb of the Chantry and in turn abused their authority. The Knight-Commander seeks redemption for the Order and for the chance to lay down the foundation for a better future. With this said, Alayre is not entirely comfortable with the thought of the Mage Council calling all the shots here in the Inquisition. If there's to be balance here, then decisions MUST be made in partnership with the Order and not without them.

He cannot stress that enough. The Templar are few and stripped of the authority they once held. Grumblings amongst the Templar will grow if the Mage Council are given too much power and thus cause more imbalance. This is something he'll bring up every now and then.

In regards of reparations for the brutality that took place during the war, Alayre would be the first to state that both the Magi and Templar are to blame. There's victims on both sides and so he would warn that this shouldn't be used as an excuse for Mages to condemn the Order. He does recognize that crime must be punished accordingly but he calls for an thorough investigation instead of head hunting

In regards to special training and such, Alayre will suggest that they ease the Templars away from using lyrium from here on out. Lyrium was used as a tool of control by the Chantry to lord over the Order, therefore it will be best for them to try and weed out the usage of it somehow.

[equanimiti]

What's a matter? Nerva doesn't want to chat with angry mages all day? Hehe~

If anything, I might have to volunteer Alayre for this task. He's been dealing with the Magi for awhile now and encouraged them to form a council.

[keeperofmagi]

she's about THIS CLOSE to putting her fist through a wall so yeah don't let her be the diplomat for the love of god

HE'D BE GOOD

[keeperofmagi]

Yeah if investigations into the war happen Nerva is going to get squirrely.

Especially since she doesn't see anyone accusing any of the mages for anything, and she hasn't really made friends... If she actually came under investigation she'd probably quietly take off for a while :'|

But on the other hand even though she thinks 'what happened in the war should stay in the war', she would never actually vocalise said thought, out of fear that it would put her in question.

Council

[perseverances]

Cullen would point out that first and foremost, they are Inquisition soldiers. The Templar Order is no longer, much like the Circle of Magi.

The Council can be voted on, but will be comprised of people of various ranks. No one should be exempt from being able to have a voice in every matter. And as such, any decision will be given to the Mage Council as well, because many decisions would be reflective of them. They are supposed to be working in tandem, not against each other.

He will also repeat that no one will have more power than the other. Like stated before, they are all part of the Inquisition, and as such must work together to achieve anything. How can they battle Corypheus if they are battling against themselves?

Lyrium will be given to those who feel the need to continue taking it. No one will be forced to quit.

[keeperofmagi]

Nerva is a bit surprised that she's being told she has an equal voice - surprised, and suspicious, but mostly surprised.

Also relieved re: lyrium.

[equanimiti]

To be honest, Alayre feels the same.

What transpired during the war should be written off as the follies of war. The entire tragedy started at Kirkwall and most of the major players had since either died or moved on to the Inquisition. Meredith is dead, isn't she? And of course Anders went into hiding and Rutherford now leads the Inquisition!

There's no real need for reparations here. That soul only cause more bitterness and Alayre is aware of that.

[equanimiti]

To be frank, Alayre honestly doesn't think unity will come between the Mages and Templars soon. At least not before Corypheus strikes. It took an abomination attack to prompt such discussion and the remnants of the Order are few and far between. They're not going to be battle ready with the Mages seeking possible revenge for the war. Just the idea of reparations suggests that everyone minds still lingers on the issues of yesteryear.

Though, Alayre might be just as problematic since he still upholds belief in the Order and plots for it's resurrection.

[equanimiti]

I joke idly that Alayre drowns a bottle of red whenever this mess takes off. Wine is soothing. Nerva should try it.


Pffft~! Alayre is going to end up with white hair from all the stress.

[keeperofmagi]

she is trying it. repeatedly. in one evening.

[nofury]

Maria is all for Templar/Mage partnerships, her main concern at the moment is the mages don't seem to have actual plans for what happens when things go bad. The word 'investigation' is getting thrown around a lot, but not what the plan is if someone is actually found guilty of blood magic and dealing with demons. Mainly, she's focused on building the Inquisition as a military unit and not the new Templar/mage orders.

In hand with this, to her view easing off the lyrium as an Order goal may be something to save for later. The Inquisition has supplies, people can make individual choices on what to do with it from here on out.

[keeperofmagi]

Nerva's going to agree - that the foremost issue at hand is that they are a working army, which is why experimental stuff shouldn't take precedence over known, workable measures.

Re: Council

[nofury]

Maria supports all of this, but is a little worried about so much bureaucracy in military order (meaning the Inquisition, not the Templars). In the end, Cullen is the leaders of the soldiers. When they all have downtime, chatting and working things out is good, but at the end of the day what he says goes.

Which...means she is being a little hypocritical when she says to Cullen that she's here to work for him instead of obeying his order to be more democratic. But hey. What can you do.

[equanimiti]

Alayre isn't going to tolerate harboring Blood Mages. That's a little too extreme of a choice for him. He's barely getting used to having Apostates running around. I don't see him tolerating Blood Magic here at Skyhold. At the end of the day, the Templar must do away with that kind of villainy. In regards of building the two groups as a military force, that is probably the best choice. Rebuilding the Order or whichever shouldn't be the focus here. At least not now.

[dairsmuid]

If Alayre wants to take away lyrium he can pry it out of Elian's cold dead hands. Which may actually be what happens.

He wouldn't say that, but he would be pretty unhappy with the suggestion that they might lose lyrium access. But the point is: lyrium does have magic-resistance enhancing properties, among other benefits, and without Cullen having yet 100% successfully broken his addiction to prove it's possible and survivable, there's no solid evidence that it is. Withdrawal symptoms suck and would temporarily or permanently incapacitate a lot of the Inquisition's Templars/ex-Templars.

He would also look very uncomfortable with the idea of the Templar Order being independent from the Chantry, but he's a quiet guy + an Inquisition soldier now, so he probably wouldn't argue. Just frown.

[dairsmuid]

Thank u for the lyrium Commander Dad.

Now can you order all non-Harrowed mages to sleep outside Skyhold in the snow?

[keeperofmagi]

NO. THEY WILL CATCH A COLD.

[dairsmuid]

They can make a fire.

Training

[cicatrices]

Cassandra is primarily leaving this to Cullen's direction at the moment, but she would agree that the most important matter for former templars as for mages is how they can best serve the Inquisition. And she would suggest that the way they can be most useful in the fight against Corypheus and his growing army of Venatori is to focus on teaching other soldiers their magic-dispelling techniques.

[keeperofmagi]

How can she watch over them if they're all scattered around the mountains??

[dairsmuid]

They don't have to scatter. We could make them a camp with a fence.

[cicatrices]

And then you all can go sleep in the snow outside the fence of the camp to keep an eye on it.