faderiftooc | Taking the pulse of the Templar Order

Norrington wants to roast Anders over a pit of fire. He's a Free Marcher and a Templar and he has ALL THE DAMNED FEELS.

He and Alayre have already talked about taking their personal concerns (just theirs, not the Order's) to the Wardens directly.

However, if all his brothers and sisters are of one mind of what action to take, he's willing to do it.

He's also concerned about their reputation after what happened with Cade. He doesn't want to come off as a raving lunatic even if he does want to tear Anders limb from limb ... <.

Oh, if only James knew exactly how truly angry Alayre is right now.

Screw roasting Anders over some fiery pit, he much rather challenge that man to a proper duel and kill him under the watchful gaze of the Maker.

The problem is that even if James and Alayre do take their concerns to anyone, I'm certain it wouldn't be rather productive and I'll just have an even angrier muse to deal with. That's what I suspect will happen since of course no one is going to be killing Anders anytime soon.

I don't think the other Templars feel resigned enough to make a formal complaint as a group. Therefore, I much rather focus on having Alayre voice his grievances rather than try to incorporate others.

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kane would also see him executed for his crimes against the chantry and innocent lives everywhere. he would be strongly sympathetic to other templars who feel similarly, including if they feel betrayed by the inquisition for their stance.

that said, he thinks they should do nothing.

the verdict was passed by the champion and the inquisition has chosen to respect it. anders is a warden and in their custody, and is living outside of skyhold. he thinks demanding anders' head is reasonable but unrealistic, and demanding what can't be given weakens their stance as a political entity, so would caution against seeming unruly or disgruntled.

possibly making their thoughts known to the advisors via offering their blades in solidarity might be a good show in cooperation while subtly hinting at their feelings (that the advisors probably already guess they have, what with cullen existing). being at odds with the leadership probably won't get them what they want in the future, and it's the future they should be concerned about.

Edited (clarity) 2016-03-18 12:58 (UTC)

in addition to what I said below, a (grudging and not necessarily in complete moral agreement) +1 to Kane. since Kane is the smart one.

whatever, dad.

Surprise, surprise, Maria is in no way pleased Anders is alive! However, she's spoken to Leliana about this one on one and will be obeying her orders. Despite personal feelings, she will heavily discourage any Templars from making a stink. They're there to serve the Inquisition and that means falling in line when asked.

In truth, Alayre is beyond livid at this point.

Anders duped him big time by pretending to be someone that he isn't. Had Alayre known any of this prior to inviting Anders to Skyhold, he would've tried to kill that murderer himself. Alayre honestly reverted back to more traditional Templar line of thinking when it comes down to mages because of this. He doesn't trust them and would rather keep them at arm's length now.

This kind of treachery is nearly unforgivable and he's downright disgusted with the Grey Wardens and the Advisors both for sparing Anders. They pretty much just gave him a slap on the wrist for his crimes. How is that justice?

Alayre doesn't feel as if the Inquisition gives a damn about the Order and Chantry both if they support this ludicrous idea. He's just so done with everyone at this point but he's made it a point not to say much on it.

Hell, what could he do anyways? He's forced to grin and bear this nonsense like everyone else. Though, he definitely sees the Advisors as pathetic as of late.

They'll pick a fight with Rifters but won't execute or severely punish a known murdering terrorist? Yeah, he's scoffing at that. Then add the fact that the Inquisition is hosting this "ball" in a ploy to save some face here and he's close to rolling his eyes all the way to Orlais.

tl;dr: He's livid.

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Anders' reveal happened very close to when Ingrid arrived, so she's mostly just confused by all the hubbub. She only vaguely even knows who Anders is.

That said, she thinks calling for his execution at this point is wasteful, pointless and petty. He is a Grey Warden, and in their custody. That's a slow death sentence in itself, and considering that joining the Wardens in the first place is used as punishment for some criminals, there really isn't anything further that the Templars have the power to do. But for those who do not believe that is penance enough, she would suggest meeting and working with the Wardens to have him made useful saving and protecting lives until he is either killed in the line of duty or succumbs to his Calling. She would be willing to write to the leaders in Weisshaupt about the situation to get their take on things if need be.

Cade is likely to remain silent on the subject unless directly asked, since he's not in the best standing with the order himself. However, he becomes unspeakably angry every time Anders is mentioned, and would absolutely call for his execution if he had any authority to do so.

Bellamy is like the fringeiest Templar at the moment for so many reasons (most of them stupidly personal) but if asked he'd actually oppose any threats or big demonstrations of unhappiness. he's concerned that making a stronger case or showing might lead to action, which would possibly set a dangerous precedence for beheading and killing off rouge or misbehaving mages. which is the last thing he wants to happen.

unless of course killing off other mages distracts everyone from other bad mages and keeps his own secret bad mage Clarke Griffin safe, in which case, he'll cut off Anders' head for you all.

play it cool son

So far, the feeling for the Templars seems to be that they are going to be seething angry (for the most part), but honor their treaty with the Inquisition by not starting shit.

- A letter was proposed by Kane that is diplomatic in tone and states that they aren't pleased but they'll back their play and if they are needed in the future for any abomination killing the Inquisition knows they can count on the Templars.

- Furthermore, a letter suggested by Ingrid to the Wardens, offering their assistance with Anders and possible ways that he could further the cause and atone for his sins in a very polite and diplomatic manner.

What does everyone think of these ideas?

For Norrington's part, he will grudgingly agree to the letter although he will feel it should be more strongly worded to the Inquisition leadership. However, he will admit he is not the best person to write it considering how enraged he is, and will nominate someone more diplomatic at this time.

- He has choice words for the Wardens, and so would nominate Ingrid to write a letter, if they decide to write a letter at all.

Kane is pro-making contact with the Wardens in the form of Ingrid's offer, both local and to Weisshaupt (and he isn't sure if that would be out of line, so would advise at least running external correspondence past the likes of Josephine first).

As for talking to the advisors, Kane has nice handwriting, and doesn't mind making that his introduction, especially as a Free Marcher, but would also put his vote to whoever is diplomatic, willing, and has rapport with the advisors. So long as the Templars in general aren't coming across as insubordinate, he's happy.

So I was informed that the Templars informing Weisshaupt would end up creating a political maelstrom for the Wardens and the Templars, so for the context of any possible plotting, if they do decide to go forward with the letter, they should definitely run it past Josephine so she can firmly say 'NO.'. OR decide they don't really care too much for having Wardens support. Because Wardens currently blow.

Good to know. Having Josephine swoop in might be cool, but whatever people want to do there is also cool.

Okay, so it sounds like the rest of the PC Templars, outside of Maria who has already spoken with the advisers on this, will ask Marcus to write a letter to the advisers basically saying, 'Okay listen we don't like this BS, but we're not going to lose our shit. Let's just make this work, we promise you our swords.'

Are you down with that?

Roger. He won't, obviously, be able to write on behalf of awl templars, nor want to, so how might this be categorised? New order, or just 'some voices, within the order'?

Some voices within the Order. The Advisers will know who they are.

If people really want to write a letter to the advisers, Maria won't agree but won't actively try to stop them. She's had her talk with them.

However, she is against letters to the Wardens, near or far. For the local, Alistair was a Templar. He knows damn well the Templar feelings on Abominations and what the Order is going to do if Anders goes full blown. While this is A WHOLE TON OF BULLSHIT, they still have their orders from the Inquisition which they're agreed to help. The Wardens have left skyhold, showing they know they are a danger. Maria is for leaving it there unless directed otherwise. Pushing the infighting longer than it needs to be (or calling in outside Wardens) when the Inquisition needs to appear united to the outside world is not what they need to do.

Taking the pulse of the Templar Order

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marcus kane.

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Alayre Sauveterre

Ingrid Kief

Cade Harimann

bellamy, barely a templar

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