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Merrick Lavellan (Ashara) ([personal profile] dalishious) wrote in [community profile] faderiftooc2016-03-14 11:09 pm

It's not a party til someone gets they ass beat

So as I stated on my plurk earlier, Merrick is going to confront Cade at the ball for what he did to Beleth at the Emprise. And by confront I mean beat him into pulp, the good old-fashioned Merrick way. I'm putting this post here so ppl can organize thoughts/reactions, and to hash things out before anything is set in stone.

Right now the plans seem to be that Merrick will attack Cade outside the main part of the ball. It won't be in direct line of sight of any of the visiting nobles, but there will be a chance maybe one or two could see. The spot will be relatively secluded, but if u want your character to witness the raw action then let me know here! Otherwise this is just a general plotting post.

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[personal profile] equanimiti 2016-03-15 06:39 am (UTC)(link)
I nominate Alayre to break them up! That is unless you have someone else planned for that.
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[personal profile] metaari 2016-03-15 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
Don't worry, Metaari is going to be physically hauling Merrick away, though idk if anyone's keeping Cade at bay yet.
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[personal profile] equanimiti 2016-03-15 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
If Metaari will be hauling dear Merrick away, then Alayre will wrangle Cade before things go from bad to worse.

It's the least he could do.
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[personal profile] fightingale 2016-03-15 07:13 am (UTC)(link)
hello!

okay I have a few questions, just so we can make sure that when we figure out how the Advisors/etc who deal with this have all information and don’t neglect anything.

1. What was the situation with Beleth and Cade?
(I’ve feel like I've heard provoked and unprovoked attack, so not 100% sure how that panned out)

2. What was the sentence Cade was given and the reasoning for it?

3. Will this attack be provoked? Is there any thought on how Cade will respond?
(violently/trying to escape or defend himself/etc)

4. Since Merrick’s mental health has been mentioned - who is aware of that as a factor, who would normally have the responsibility of monitoring him, what is the extent of it, anything else important?
(In theory an eruption like this could mean that he’s a dangerous person to send on missions - or at least, Leliana would feel it was the case - especially if he requires monitoring to keep things like this from happening, so I think it’d be good to figure out how that might factor in.)

5. Is there someone from Clan Ashara who will step forward to speak to the advisors about Merrick and his situation?
I think given his mental health as well, it’s likely Leliana (or someone) would push for them to speak with someone(s) from Clan Ashara to figure out Merrick’s situation and their response to it/how they have dealt with such episodes in the past.

6. Also what are Cade and Merrick’s respective records with the Inquisition like?
Does Merrick have a record for good behaviour for the most part, or have there been other episodes, and stuff? This will just help us figure out like… if it’s a one off or if there’s a chance of these things happening over and over, etc.

I am so sorry for all these questions, but I figure the more we know, the better we can try to figure out a fair response and work within player preferences and everything without neglecting anything really obvious and then making the Advisors look incompetent/like they don't care about violence in the Inquisition/other repercussions. ;u;
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[personal profile] arlathvhen 2016-03-15 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
I can answer the first two questions! In Emprise du Lion, Beleth and Cade got into an argument and Beleth ended up pushing him. This is generally what people refer to when saying that she provoked him, although its the general consensus that his response was pretty dispreportionate.

He hit her around pretty good and was about to use his sword on her when Alistair (and Nerva!) intervened.

For full details, the thread this takes place in is located here.

Cade was shortly thereafter taken to Cullen, who temporarily took him off active duty and took away his weapons. This thread is located here.

After that, the Templar knight-captains and Seekers held a separate hearing, where it was decided that he would be permanently removed from any combat role. This thread is located here.
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[personal profile] fightingale 2016-03-15 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
awesome, thank you so much for all those! This ultra helpful :]b
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[personal profile] fightingale 2016-03-15 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent, thank you so much for taking the time to answer all my questions! It'll make it a lot easier in terms of what baseline knowledge the Advisors should have and maybe checking in the with the others we can work out what other digging would happen, and so on.

For you, do you have an idea on what kind of punishment/results you'd ideally like to happen, or like... hard limits about yesses and nos? I can't speak for the others or their characters of course, but an idea on how to balance the need for ic response/what would be difficult or not fun ooc are super important so I'm sure we can juggle it so it's a win/win all around :]b

I need to cook dinner rn but then I will try and leap back in here with Possible Thoughts
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[personal profile] onlyhymns 2016-03-15 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
hi hello
some of these have already been answered, but!

3. I don't want to completely predict his reaction since it will depend on how things happen, but at present my loose plan is to just have Cade on the defensive/trying to get away. Depending on how Merrick goes about it he might fly off the handle again himself, but I'm thinking he's going to be just present enough to remember his ass is going to get killed or worse if he keeps getting in trouble with the Inquisition.

6. Not Good at the moment, he was just recently/is currently being punished for the Beleth thing and also freaked out straight in the gate of Skyhold. He's been good in battle and is generally a quiet and unassuming person so he kinda flew under the radar until he attacked Beleth.
He's been in the cells once already and literally JUST had a hearing over his violent outburst, so it is likely the initial assumption will be that he started this or provoked it somehow.

I'm okay with the threat of any punishment (especially since the Seekers wanted to execute him last time, aaahaha), but am... assuming the truth will come out and he won't actually be killed/maimed/kicked out/whatever. It's not really my intention to have him connnnstantly making trouble for the Inquisition, I think this will just be a case of awful timing.
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[personal profile] metaari 2016-03-15 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
In regards to 4, Merrick is at the ball with Metaari, so he's probably been in the best position to keep an eye on him all night. He has only a vague idea of how deeply Merrick's wounds run, however, and hasn't been privy to any really bad episodes yet. The rest of the Asharas, particularly Pel, Cyril, and Beleth, are all a lot more practiced in handling him when things go bad.
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[personal profile] arlathvhen 2016-03-15 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
I don't have a lot to contribute besides

- Beleth is going to be sure this is her fault
- She will prrrobably be there for the fight but will be remarkably useless (again) and freaking out (again)
- She can give testimony (reluctantly) that Cade didn't actually do anything
- Why does everything happen so much
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[personal profile] gatheringstorm 2016-03-15 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
Poor Beleth. If she wants a protective Vashoth for company, Korrin can be there.
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[personal profile] arlathvhen 2016-03-15 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
thank u korrin she'll appreciate it
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[personal profile] equanimiti 2016-03-15 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Alayre will undoubtedly question Beleth if she's there to witness the fight and all. However, he'll be approaching her more like a "friend" than a "Templar" this time around. He'll leave the real hard questioning for the Seekers if they choose to do so.

He simply just wants to know if she's alright and whether or not she can talk to Merrick before the Seekers and Advisors do. Who knows how badly this whole thing will blow up at this point.

Alayre really doesn't want anyone else getting mixed up in this mess.
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[personal profile] madame_de_fer 2016-03-15 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Wherever this goes down, Vivienne will convince any visiting nobles which catch a glimpse of it that it was a fight over the affections of a maid. Terribly romantic and exciting isn't it? Smooth things over, everything is fine, oh look we're all still upstanding people. Give us money.

Anyway, from that aspect, since the point of the party is to convince dissenting nobles that the Inquisition is legit, I did talk to the involved parties that it not turn so ugly that it would interfere with the purpose of the event.

(Also, since Aleron is now more or less Cade's employer. He will be giving the guy epic stink eye for picking another fight. Until he finds out that Cade did not, in fact, pick a fight this time.)
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[personal profile] foxsays 2016-03-15 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
If Vivienne would like a volunteer for helping to deal with nobles that get their feathers ruffled, Araceli would volunteer to do damage control for the Inquisition. Look at this good rifter, helping make everything look a-okay.
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[personal profile] samahl 2016-03-15 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Cyril would also like to help with damage control with any nobles or visitors. He has a lot of experience smoothing things over when it comes to Merrick... Also I kind of want him to get more involved with some of the politics going down and maybe he can impress the right people by how he helps handle this? I dunno? Or something?
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[personal profile] gatheringstorm 2016-03-15 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Since you already have people to wrangle Merrick and Cade, Korrin can just be around to witness the tustle? (And secretly cheer Merrick on.)
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[personal profile] samahl 2016-03-15 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
To allow other people to get involved, I'm going to say that Cyril is up in the main ball when this happens. Otherwise he would just be up in all of everyone's business.

Still, he's around to help smooth things over with any nobles who might see and to try and make sure Merrick is cared for.
Edited 2016-03-15 15:24 (UTC)
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[personal profile] serannas 2016-03-15 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Ellana won't witness this and needs to be told about it later. I'm fine with it being either a close friend breaking the news, or someone just wanting to gossip and surprising her by describing Merrick.

Any takers?
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[personal profile] serannas 2016-03-16 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Oh man. Yeah, it would be. Okay!
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[personal profile] mythalenaste 2016-03-15 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Pel will be calming Merrick down and cleaning up his mess (talking to any Inquisition investigators, for example).
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[personal profile] quietblade 2016-03-15 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Dammit Merrick

he wanted to punch that asshole

#protectbeleth942
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[personal profile] equanimiti 2016-03-15 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Dammit, Taas! No fighting with Cade!

Now help Alayre drag these two away from each other. lol
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[personal profile] judgemewhole 2016-03-16 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Since Alayre is going to be there already to hold back Cade, I'll just have one of Norrington's templars, Gibbs, on hand for witnessing. He's also their battle medic so ... yeah if that's needed let me know.
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[personal profile] stabsbooks 2016-03-16 07:18 am (UTC)(link)
Quick question - as I understand it, part of Cade's punishment for the Beleth incident was that he would have round the clock supervision. Who is going to be responsible for supervising him during this time, and have you worked out how the fight is going to happen regardless? (Cade slipping away, his assigned guard letting their...guard down, other?)

There are a couple ways you can get around this, but how you choose do to it will determine whether Cade gets in trouble for running off, his guard gets in trouble for not watching him, or (if you can work out a way in which it's actually no one's fault) neither.
Edited (i know how cause and effect work) 2016-03-16 07:20 (UTC)
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[personal profile] onlyhymns 2016-03-17 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
HI so
From what I understand, he is more or less being allowed off-leash as long as he stays within sight of all Templar-approved parties (Nerva, the Tranquil, other Templars), and as long as he behaves himself. I'm assuming all of the above are at the ready in case he flips out again, but unless something crazy and drastic happens before the Merrick situation, he's going to be pretty mild-mannered and worthy of their trust. It would make sense to have this take place later in the night, when it's already become pretty clear that he's not going to start anything.

Then, the way we talked about this happening is, he steps briefly outside to get a breath of fresh air, and Merrick pounces. Presumably he's still within view of the people supervising him, unless Merrick forces him away somehow-- but he's not overtly breaking a rule, even if he may be pushing it slightly.

I hope that helps! Lemme know if you need more.
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[personal profile] fightingale 2016-03-17 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
Hey!

So we’ve had a long chat about this and checked in with the mods, but ultimately this isn’t a matter the Advisors would be involved in, and would come down to the templars/seekers on Cade’s part, and the Dalish on Merrick’s.

If the Dalish and Templars/Seekers wanted to escalate it to their seniors then it might come up, but basically the Advisors aren’t responsible for or involved in all the events in Skyhold, and generally see to broader issues rather than addressing individual scuffles and disciplinary issues.

If you’d like to avoid harsher repercussions then we’d suggest making sure this doesn’t happen anywhere near the ball and that there aren’t witnesses, since a Dalish elf attacking a Templar would probably impact the schmoozing of NPCs in a negative way and have implications for the Inquisition itself.
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[personal profile] onlyhymns 2016-03-17 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Having chatted about it with Britt, we've concluded Cade is back in his own room at this point, with a Tranquil roommate. It can be assumed that he's walked back from the party by NPC lesser Templar, and then I suppose all Merrick will need to do is distract the Tranquil (or just... do it with him there, idk).
That way the blind rage can still happen like you mentioned, with it starting after he's already started the smackdown, and the ball won't be interrupted and the schmoozing won't be ruined.

Would that work?
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[personal profile] fightingale 2016-03-17 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It’s really up to you guys and the people who play the Templars/Seekers and Dalish who’d have authority and thus be involved in discussion of punishments, etc. Since it won’t be going to the Advisors I’d say that working it out with them to iron out repercussions and seeing if you’re happy with them would be the way to go.